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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
maltesetwo
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Hi Everyone, i am so glad that you are available. My daughter has a 30 gal freshwater with 5 guppies, a black moor who is sick (doubt will make it through the night...) and another one who will most likely also pass away. I know that they are not to be mixed with guppies or mollies. They did manage for a number of months though seemingly okay. To make matters worse we also have 2 mollies, two orandas (small) and a speckled goldfish with beautiful fins, also small. I do not plan on replacing the moors as they do keep dying on us because they shouldn't be in the tank at all. My daughter will have to get over it.

Right now however we also have the problem with our water numbers. Amonia is normal (0) and so is the nitrite. Only the nitrate and ph are off. What to do Please!
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
angela_brown
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When you say they're off...

What are the readings?

Please don't go dumping a bunch of chemicals in the tank. Let's see if we can get it down naturally...

Is the tank planted?
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Thanks for joining our forum. One of the reasons goldfish and guppies don't mix very well is that goldfish like much cooler temperatures than the typical 75 degree aquarium. Goldfish are also messy, so be sure to keep up with the partial water changes.

Angela is giving you some very good advice about not dumping in a bunch of chemicals to change water parameters. For one thing, quick changes can stress fish. The best route to good water quality is a weekly, partial (20% or so) water change. I like to treat the tap water with a good conditioner like Stress Coat. Live plants are also a big help to aquarium water quality, and some plants, hornwort for example, are very easy to grow. To lower pH and soften the water, two natural methods are the addition of Malaysian or other sinking driftwood and Indian almond leaf. Both are available on Aquabid.com.

Please let everybody know if any of our suggestions helped.
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
maltesetwo
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Hi,

Thanks for your help. I have been changing their water each week about 30%. I did this because there was a brown alage throughout. The tank is clear now. We have very hard water where I live. The tank is a tall 30 gallon. the guppies tend to stay on top and the goldfish stay below. The nitrate is mg/l abd the ph is 8.2. Ammonia is 0 and the nitrite is 0. I put in prime last night and Super Bac Nitrifying bacteria. I have not yet tested this morning.

The black moors are also of concern. I took our the one last night and put it in a little 2.5 tank I had on hand. There is another black moor in the big tank that appears to be loosing his color from the bottom up. Can I save him?

Oh yes, NO I do not have any live plants. I do have two tree frogs, two african swamp frogs, two hamsters,two terrific maltese dogs, and I am now down to one bearded dragon. We sold the other one since they were not compatable anymore with each other. AND, i have two kids and a husband. I really don't want to take care of plants too. Don't they just make things more complicated to manage?

Should I take out the moor who is still allive andisolate it?

Help?
Last Edit: 2008/09/21 09:57 By maltesetwo.
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Ammonia and nitrite are the two most harmful chemicals to fish. Most common aquarium fish can adapt to a wide range of water hardness and pH as well as other parameters.

Some plants are difficult to raise, but some are very easy. With hornwort, you just dump in a big bunch and watch it float while it helps the aquarium water. Here in Phoenix, the water is very hard, and the pH is high. I use the old technology under gravel filters and think they help both problems once the aquarium and plants are well established. Some of the low light, slow growing plants are also easy to grow if you use a clay based substrate supplement like laterite. Some easy plants are Java fern and Java moss, the Cryptocoryne varieties and the the Anubias family. Sorry about the Latin names that are probably not spelled correctly Most of those plants are not available in stores, and the the people who sell on Aquabid tend to use Latin names. I sometimes use Latin names like computus crashus and hokey smokes, Bullwinkle.

Now about the fish. When you say the guppies stay near the top, I assume you don't mean they're on top gasping for air. I also assume you have an aquarium heater. And by the way, if you get a big batch of hornwort, you'll probably start seeing lots of baby guppies. As for the goldfish, I don't know much about them except they are tough little guys and they like cooler water. There are lots of fish cures on the market, and I'm sure some of them actually work. However, it's a sad fact that by the time most fish start showing significantly bad symptoms, it's already too late. Other forum members probably have different opinions, and I hope they will express them.

As for family, our two daughters are grown and have their own families. That could be what made me falsely assume they were fully raised and independent of mom and dad. Our other family member is an attack trained poodle. Her picture in a karate pose is in the Off Topic section, I think.
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Plants generally make things more stable in your tank. I once read that if you are going to have plants in your aquarium you need to have lots of them. Having a small amount can cause algae problems. It is best to have no plants at all or to have a fully planted tank. I have one and I love it. Of course I have to trim things occasionally or pick up little pieces my fish have broke off, but in general it is quite nice. My fish love the soft shelter provided by the plants. There is even one back corner behind some wisteria that my three clown loaches love. I call it the loach lair. I also have a loach lounge in front of the turbulence caused by my co2 injector pump and a loach ledge on top of it. Of course only one loach uses that one. If you decide to add plants it is best to research them so you don't get discouraged when they die. Some good easy care low light plants are wisteria, amazon sword, java fern, java moss, lilies, apponogeton, and even onions.

As for your second black more. In what way is it fading? It is actually normal for them to fade some and turn a more bronze color. Only the best quality fish stay true black. If you could post a picture that may help.
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Posted 3 Months, 2 Weeks ago
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Yep.

What they said... LOL!

I wouldn't totally be freaked by a little high nitrate... My computer isn't showing the exact number you put in... but it's not as important as Nitrites. And like said before a lot of fish will acclimate to the higher pH.

I would maybe up your water changes if you get a chance... Well... first I guess I'd check the pH of your tap water... If it's lower... I'd just do larger water changes... like 60%... Even 2x a week...

I have plants... I love the way they make the aquarium look. If they grow like crazy... yeah you have to trim a bit... If they don't grow... then that stinks. Usually it's not really that much work. I do the Wisteria, and Java fern, Java moss, crypts, and Swords - Amazon and Ocelot (sp). I love mine... and there's nothing prettier than a planted tank!

A picture would be great for the Moor... If it's showing other signs of ailment other than loosing color... then I would remove it to a hospital tank.

Good Luck and let us know how it goes...
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Posted 3 Months, 1 Week ago
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Megan: I know you were interested in a carbon dioxide system but did not realise you had already taken the plunge. Why not start a new topic and tell us all about it.
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