2 years ago#1
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Hi guys! So I have seen a few posts like this but I am still feeling stuck with mine. So My Betta, originally in a 2.5 gallon (no heater or filter) Just my weekly half water changes with the gravel vaccum got cloudy. And I just want to piont out here my betta was really happy with our routine, he would swim around, make bubbles, play in his barrel, puff at my finger. Happy Betta fish. The weekly half water changes worked well for months until now. Then it got cloudy and stinky and slimmy. There was a wierd filmy stuff hanging of the plants and ornaments and on top of the water. Mr.fish was not pleased witht he situation. So i did lots of water changes, which helped for half a day. Eventually I just got anew tank, gravel , plants and barrel for him. a 3.5gallon with a light! And Mr.Fish was thrilled. Not so much witht he filter though, it makes to much of a current for him, so I can't use it
But yeah it all went good, water staying clear then today I noticed the cloudy is starting. I feed him once a day a few pellets, ocassional flake. He actually doesn't like blood worms (he is a little wierd)
So anyways, whyis my ckoudy making the water filmy? Help please! I do not have time for daily water changes!
(Picture of Mr.Fish at christmas time, and is "happy" bubbles)

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2 years ago#2
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I feel that I should add, Mr.Fish was thrilled with his new tank and fresh water, he had been doing all the happy fish things, even making more bubbles (He REALLY wants a girlfriend! )
And even with the water getting cloudy he is still happy betta.
He looks healthy, fins are bright and full, Colour is clear. None of the slimmy stuff goes on him and he tsays happy until the the slimy stuff gets all over his decor, then he is not happy.
He was in is original tank for a few months so I am pretty sure it was cycled. He even had a room mate (Ghost shrimp- who did not survice my move to a new city )
Would a snail or a new shrimp eat filmy stuff?
Also sorry for my typos and spelling mistakes!

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2 years ago#3
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Also, Thats not fin rot on his tail, he just has no fin in that spot. How he has always been.

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2 years ago#4
KJP
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Hi - nice Betta! Few questions to help us determine what's going on. What colour is the slimy film. Is it on decor and gravel?

Betta fish should have a filter and heater - as they are tropical fish, they require and thrive in temperature around 26-28oC (76-78F) and filter is needed for circulation, to house beneficial bacteria and also for tank aeration.

I think what you have is non-cycled tank that goes in to bacterial bloom every time you clean it. Slimy film on gravel and decor could be algae or a combination of algae and bacteria.

3.5g tank should be possible to equip in a small filter and heater and these would improve your fish life very much! How is he 'unhappy' - what does he do or don't do? So you change 50% water every week, how is your Betta behaving lets say day 5-7 after water change? Is he swimming? Eating?

Tanks that are not cycled would have a lot of water parameters changing constantly and this is not good for fish (and shrimp for that matter!). The best would be to test water for the presence of ammonia and nitrite (two major toxins) as you likely do not have enough beneficial bacteria to deal with these toxins. In fact cleaning the tanks very thoroughly is a mistake, as the good bacteria grow on decor and gravel (and in filter media when you have it!). Never rinse the gravel in tap water only in water that has been removed from the tank. And remember to use water conditioner.

In my opinion the best what you can do is to start using filter (is there maybe a way to adjust it to slower flow?) or buy a small filter suitable for your tank. And get him a heater. Then you would need to cycle the tank. After that Mr Betta will be happy!!!

Also do not use the light for more than 8-9 hours a day (best is to put it on timer) and without direct sunlight. Too much light will increase algae growth. Do not overfeed and remove any uneaten food (with a turkey buster).

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2 years ago#5
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His tank old tank was cycled, it was only a couple months after the move that the cloudy stuff began to appear. It mostly hangs off the decor and the surface of the water.

The 5-7 days after the water changes he was still very happy and content and eating and bubbling.

He shows he is not happy when he just sits there fins all floppy and disregarding his food.

The light only goes on for an hour in the evening when we are all home.

If you think there might be algea should I get a snail or a new shrimp?

And also I am trying to turn my filter on for little bits at a time so Mr.Fish can build up his muscles and get used to swimming with a current. Do you think this will be okay for him?

lol sorry lots of questions to answer and ask!
Thank you!

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2 years ago#6
Goldibug
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If your filter is one of the hang on the back with a water fall type they are extremely simple to adjust for your betta. Cut a water bottle in half so you have a little cylinder with a slit down the side. Then place this over the waterfall of your filter and tape it in place. If your new tank isn't cycled you can add Tetra Safestart to speed things along. In my 10 gal. it only took a week with Safestart to fully cycle my tank. Shrimp may help. Here is a pic of the water bottle set up on my filter.

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2 years ago#7
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The water bottl eidea sounds good, thank you!

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2 years ago#8
Eve
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Yesterday I was Googling for an answer to cloudy water in my Betta bowl to no avail. I decided to clean everything out YET AGAIN (I have been doing this every few days lately where before it was not a problem). I have a glass vase that holds close to 2.5 gallons, have live plants, a floating Betta log, a thermometer, a heater and NO filter (filters really are not necessary for Betta bowls). This has worked great for over a year only doing a thorough cleaning every few weeks.

I started to make up the new water in which to put Mr. Miyagi while I scrubbed everything with hot water, and in doing so I believe I found the answer. The water conditioner had gone bad. It has white cloudy clumps floating in it and mold in the bottom of the bottle. This was the one I bought at the pet store when I got the fish. Soon afterwards I found a different conditioner at Walmart that was MUCH cheaper so I got that one too. So yesterday I used the conditioner I got at Walmart and today the water is still crystal clear. Fingers crossed this is the answer. Anyone with almost instantly cloudy water; check your conditioner. I may even call the manufacturer; they should have a "use by date" on the bottle.

P.S. I called my daughter to tell her because she had the same problem. She said she had stopped using conditioner and used only filtered water and that worked fine until I looked after her fish while they were away. I cleaned out her tank and used my conditioner. She felt like a bad fish momma for not using conditioner so went back to using it (same brand that went bad on me). She is going back to filtered water.

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2 years ago#9
johnarthur
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If you use reverse osmosis water, the pH will fluctuate and stress the fish. RO water has no pH buffers.

When you clean everything, you also remove all the beneficial bacteria associated with the nitrogen cycle, and it runs the risk of producing sudden changes in water parameters. Without a working nitrogen cycle, aquarium water often gets cloudy. Here's how the nitrogen cycle works:
http://www.myaquariumclub.com/the-nitrogen-cycle-for- beginners-358.html

Fish often survive in marginal conditions or worse. A small filter will improve water quality and also house some of the nitrogen cycle bacteria.

The shelf life of tap water conditioners can decrease under the temperature extremes of some storage facilities. The expiration date is usually printed on the label.

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2 years ago#10
Eve
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Not reverse osmosis; she just has a regular Brita filter. I have the faucet kind, but will continue to use tap water and conditioner (the one that is not bad).

I checked out your link. Thanks for the info and I will bear it in mind if I ever get into an actual aquarium. For now I will stick with what was working. I will see how it goes and if it doesn't last then I will consider the filter idea. However, I don't want to crowd the bowl too much and I am reluctant to go to a bigger tank because the Betta idea was to keep it simple; otherwise I may as well go the whole way and set up an aquarium.

What my research taught me was working great (very happy fish, lively, bubble nests, etc., especially when he had a "clean house", until the conditioner went bad. It is clear to me that putting mold in the water is not a good idea; it even killed one of the plants that was previously doing very well. I just wish I had figured it out sooner.

You were right; I looked closer at the bottle and there is a barely legible expiration date of 05/2014 on the label. It probably goes bad faster once it is opened.

Thanks again for the advice. I will post an update once I have given it some time. And if anyone else has the problem, pour your conditioner into a glass bowl and see if it is cloudy. Use new conditioner and let me know if it solved your problem of instantly cloudy water.

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2 years ago#11
boya
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I'm having the same problem and I have had my betta for years. Can't find answer online w/o paying so I guess I got to call the vet.

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2 years ago#12
johnarthur
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Keeping a betta in a small aquarium without a filter usually means the water will be cloudy. A much larger aquarium with live plants and only one betta may be viable without a filter.

Cloudy water is sometimes indicative of overfeeding or a stalled nitrogen cycle. You may want to test the water and always feed no more than the fish eats in a couple of minutes.

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2 years ago#13
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Majorly delayed, but I ended up moving him to my sick fish tank for a bit and revamped his tank, new gravel, decor and water. Problem never came back. Although I am sad to report that Mr.Fish passed away. He got a tumor that just got to big.
He was my first fish. RIP Mr.Fish

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2 years ago#14
melissavee
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Im sorry he died - but you were a very good fish parent!

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1 year ago#15
WhitleyG
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What conditioner from Wal-Mart do you use?

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1 year ago#16
Toaster
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I didn't use conditioner from walmart...

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8 months ago#17
Fishy
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Ya, don't put any other living thing in with your betta, not even another betta. They don't like company. They'll eat them

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