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2 years ago #1
Bettabetta
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My betta fish is laying on his side at the bottom of his tank and his colors are not as vivid as before. Is it smimming bladder disorder? Please help

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2 years ago #2
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2 years ago #3
Leanne88
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Could be stress if colours are fading.. If my water is a little out my betta fades until quality right.. So to start..what size tank is the betta in? Do u have a filter and heater? How long has the tank been set up and have u cycled the tank? Do u have test kits for ammonia,nitrites and nitrates? With answers to these it may help find the problem..

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2 years ago #4
Bettabetta
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The tank is 5 gallons. Yes, we do have a filter and heater. We have had the fish and tank for a while, we got them about in the middle of 2011. What do you mean by cycle?
We have a test kit but we only used it once when we first got the fish and tank.

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2 years ago #5
Leanne88
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When a tank is first set up it goes through a cycle stage to build up beneficial bacteria to help deal with waste.. Ammonia is produced by fish waste and uneaten food that sinks,this then turns to nitrItes which like ammonia is highly toxic to fish..this then turns to nitrAtes which is not harmful under 40ppm.. A fully cycled tank will read 0ppm Ammonia,0ppm nitrites and under 40ppm of nitrates.
Your tank is set up already so should have gone through this initially but Sometimes for several reasons,washing a filter too much can do it for example as it wipes the good bacteria out so once a tank is set up there can still be a mini cycle when this process happens again.. Testing now maybe a good idea to make sure nothing has gone a bit out of whack. U say u got them..how many fish are in the 5 gallon with the betta? Male bettas can not be with other male bettas and in a small tank will struggle with a lot of other fish..

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2 years ago #6
Bettabetta
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I don't think it's the water...I just watched him try to swim to the top but he was having a hard time. Is it swimming bladder disorder? And sorry for the confusion when I said them I meant the fish and the tank because we got them at the same time. He is the only fish in the tank.

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2 years ago #7
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Swim bladder can be due to water conditions,constipation or bacterial.. My 1st suggestion is to treat each one so to start check water and perform a small 20% water change.. If water is fine and water change doesnt help.. Then i would suggest boiling up some peas,take the shell of the pea and feed the betta this it will act as a laxative to help,if after 2/3 days on just a pea a day and lots of pooping does nothing to help him then come back to me and we can discuss using salt to treat him in case its bacterial.. So step 1..test and change water.. Also if u can turn your filter down then do so as most bettas dont like a strong flow and this may prevent him from reaching the top..

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2 years ago #8
Leanne88
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Take the shell off and feed the betta the pea inside.. Sorry that sentance wasnt very clear.

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2 years ago #9
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Essential if you are going to feed him the peo is to defrost it in tank water not tap water. It needs to have water conditioner in it. Remember also the a bettas stomach is as small as his eye. Cut it up into betta sized pieces. Do not overfeed him. And remove any uneaten peices I'f it sinks. He will not find them and they will rot.

Here is a simple explanation of the nitrogen cycle and bettas
http://www.myaquariumclub.com/all-about-betta- splendens-1942.html
http://www.myaquariumclub.com/the-nitrogen-cycle-for- beginners-358.html
http://www.myaquariumclub.com/myths-and-truths-about- betta-care-1894.html

Fading color though is most usually due to a water problem. Like Leanne mentioned a water change with conditioned temperature matched water of 25% today, and perhaps again tomorrow will help.

What is your cleaning schedule?

25% of the water should be changed per week. Deep vacuum 30% of the area (stick your gravel vacuum in the gravel till it runs clear and then move it) once every two weeks. Filter media should never be changed..I know the box tells you to, but doing so removes much of the good bacteria in your tank and ammonia then soars...the only time you should change it is if it is falling apart.

You did not change the floss in your filter did you?

Bettas are pretty strong. Hopefully these measures will help. Do let us know, both the answers to these questions and how he is doing.

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2 years ago #10
Leanne88
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Never thought of defrosting in tank water i always just leave them to defrost without water..didnt mention the cutting them up as i always find the pea inside falls apart to little pieces anyway.. Thanks for clearing up the few bits i missed and also more detail than i went into.. Need practice at the detail in answering haha . I do think it may be water quality here,was going to go into cleaning schedules next.

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2 years ago #11
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Ive just realised i put boil in the 1st comment.. I dont no why i put that as when i did the pea i didnt cook it i left it to defrost and then fed.. Ok maybe answering questions with lack of sleep is a no go for me! Need to re read! Thea can i check that with u..what is best to cook or not to cook in your view? I have seen mixed reviews.. Sorry quick off subject

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2 years ago #12
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The point is to make it soft. I have a little ramekin bowl that is exclusively for my Neptune's peas...never been washed in soap. I scoop out a little tank water, add a couple of peas and microwave it for 20-30 sec. Depend on the power of your microwave. just defrosted and slightly soft. You don't want it too soft because otherwise it does not stay together and dissolves when you add it to the tank and then you have to worry about ammonia. Deshell. Cut it into tiny peices with a toothpick and float them one by one into the tank. I stop when he stops being interested and I do not feed him on pea day so that he is really hungry. 1/2 pea is his maximum.

Bettas are carnivores. That can't digest peas..so it helps unblock any constipation they might have. Because the swim bladder, that regulates fish's balance, is so close to their stomach, sometimes constipation, or an over full stomach, can affect their balance as it presses on their swim bladder.

And bettas are little piggies. If we let them they would eat themselves to death

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2 years ago #13
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Great thanks for that info.. Seen so many diferent things,some say just thaw out and squish slightly (which is what i have done once) others say blanch others say boil.. So many different views on everything.
In this case i think im right in thinking its not constipation as it is very obvious when constipated as huge belly usually present..
The colour fade makes me think water quality probably ammonia levels a little high rather than constipation causing swimbladder? Would u tend to agree best way forward for this person and betta is to focus today on water quality by testing then small water change with tempreture matched conditioned water..

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2 years ago #14
Bettabetta
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We fed him peas but he just spit them out. His water is pretty hard according to the testing strip..is that bad?

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2 years ago #15
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Most bettas wont eat peas. If it is swim bladder disease frozen daphnia works best to relieve a betta's constipation. Hard water can affect bettas but shouldn't if that is the type of water they grew up in. All my bettas are in hard water and do well.

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2 years ago #16
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It's funny...like all things betta...they are their own "person" Complete with their own very different personality.

My betta loves peas!!! I was also a little doubtful when someone suggested it, but he gobbles them up with much more enthusiasm than even his bloodworms!!!! I am going to try some daphnia when I can get my hands on some. Do you fed them frozen or live Goldibug?

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2 years ago #17
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Frozen since I can pick it up from Petsmart. Just an fyi to anyone who doesn't know, the frozen foods should be thawed in tank water before feeding them to the fish

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2 years ago #18
Bettabetta
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Would epsom salt help him? If so is Swan brand okay?

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2 years ago #19
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Have u tested the water? Please post results..

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2 years ago #20
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1 tsp. of epsom salt per gallon of water for 2-3 days can help with swim bladder. Don't add extra salt unless you remove it with a water change first. Salt does not evaporate. Please post your water test results as well.

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2 years ago #21
Bettabetta
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It says everything is fine but the hardness which is 150..we're about to do a water change right now though just in case.

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2 years ago #22
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Are you using strip tests or liquid? What were the numbers for ammonia, nitrIte and nitrAte?

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2 years ago #23
Bettabetta
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Test strips. It was yesterday so I don't remeber the numbers for the rest I just remember according to the guide that came with the strips they were okay.

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1 year ago #24
Bettabetta
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Just in case this is found and anyone wonders what happened to my betta in the end.....he died on February 2, 2013. RIP.

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1 year ago #25
pisces
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My deepest condolences I just ran across your dialog of 8 months ago, then a week ago when he passed. I am treating my beta now w/the pea suggestion b/c he's been laying on his side, darting to top then bottom of tank, listless, and doubled over like he's got a belly ache.

How long after your tx did your little guy die? Did you see him responding to any of the tx you tried? What is your sense about what went wrong in the end. Wondering also how old he was.

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1 year ago #26
chaos
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:'( my betta is doing the same thing. Changed water, fed peas. Waiting for him to get better but he's struggling.

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1 year ago #27
Timedformula8
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Please post in the green box on the right and include how many gallons heater and filter.

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1 year ago #28
Dielahn
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Go to a fish store buy betta revive. Check the temperature of the water, if below 70 betas can't survive. The main problem is the cold.

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1 year ago #29
Dielahn
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Go to a fish store buy betta revive. Check the temperature of the water, if below 70 betas can't survive. The main problem is the cold.

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1 year ago #30
Timedformula8
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You don't need meds and this is a old post.

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