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5 years ago#1
melis_383
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I'm trying to cycle my tank (unfortunatly with baby fish in it) and am doing 30%-40% partial water changes daily. I read on other posts that people tend to add the amount of conditioner for their whole tank each time they add water to it. I've been doing this each time and was now wondering if you can add too much water conditioner to the tank? Thanks in advance!

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5 years ago#2
dkpate
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You can, but it takes a lot. With Prime (which is what I use) you have to put in 5 times the amount for it to be bad.
I am pretty sure it doesn't last forever in your tank, if you are worrying about it building up in your tank every time you do a pwc. You can just use the amount you need for the water you are replacing if that makes you feel better though!
I use the full dose for the tank every time I do a pwc and I have never had any problems.
People do it different, the main thing is to just make sure you get that chlorine out of the new water.
Good job on doing your daily pwc's!

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5 years ago#3
melis_383
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sounds good, maybe in the next week I won't use the full amount. If I was only doing the pwc's once a week I wouldn't worry but I'm doing them daily so I was more concerned. I really don't want to stress my poor fish out anymore than they already are.
Thanks for the help!

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5 years ago#4
dkpate
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You are welcome. Anytime!

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5 years ago#5
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Since the aquarium is not cycled, you may want to add some hornwort or water sprite; those plants will directly ingest part of the ammonia. Some water conditioners also neutralise ammonia and nitrite, and they may be appropriate.

Knowing that everything can be over done and given a propensity toward overdoing everything, I try to add only enough conditioner the treat the replacement water. Many aquarists have success with Prime and Amquel Plus, and others of us prefer the less serious Stress Coat.

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5 years ago#6
melis_383
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Right now I don't have any live plants in my tank. I plan on getting some but am going to wait until I have a little more cash flow. I didn't know about all the other things you need to buy when you buy a fish tank and things are starting to add up now! haha As for the conditioner I'm using now, Nutrafin Aqua Plus was recommended to me at the pet store, I didn't know there was a difference in them. My bottle is running low though so maybe I'll try out Stress Coat if I can find it up here. The selection is pretty slim here. Thanks for the help though!

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5 years ago#7
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I use Prime because it lasts forever. I did a price comparison, and in the long run Prime was cheaper than the others. Its about $10 for a regular sized bottle and treats around 2500 gallons. It will also get rid of chloramine, and detoxify ammonia and nitrites.

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5 years ago#8
melis_383
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sweet! I love that you do the price comparison in the long run, nice to know that someone else out there is as frugal as I am! haha I'll have to check and see if they sell Prime around here, fingers crossed! Thanks for all the help everyone!

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5 years ago#9
dkpate
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If you can't find it, you can order online. I get stuff from www.drsfostersmith.com because they are cheapest 99% of the time.
Yes, with my husband and I making hardly any money, and already spending over $1300 on the fish since August, I am pretty frugal lol.

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5 years ago#10
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If the drs ship to Canada, this could be a good time to buy, because they have $5.95 shipping on most orders through December.

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5 years ago#11
melis_383
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Well I'll check the stores and then if I can't find it there I'll go online. Thanks for all the advice! and wow $1300 is a lot of money for fish! this is an expensive habit I see!

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5 years ago#12
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Well it is a lot of money, but I made mistakes along the way, and have had to replace things as I went, like filters and heaters. If I would have just gotten the right things the first time, I would not have had to spend as much haha! So now, I find deals and stuff, so I can give my opinion on what is the cheapest way to go. I am even going to start making my own fish food! Making the first batch tonight lol! Wish me luck!

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5 years ago#13
melis_383
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tell me how the food making goes, it sounds like an interesting endevour! Good luck!

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5 years ago#14
dkpate
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Hahaa! Thanks! If it works out, I will share the recipe with you guys and gals! I gotta put up my X-mas tree first though lol!

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2 years ago#15
Kappire Shantie
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i put water conditioner in the tank while the fish where in the tank. will they die?

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2 years ago#16
pleco85
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no they should be fine

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2 years ago#17
peeps
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I thought 1/2 teaspoon per.gal. of chlor out, but was 1/2 teaspoon for 10 gal should I dump 30.gal and start over or will it be ok

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2 years ago#18
pleco85
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it will be ok just dont add anymore till next water change

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2 years ago#19
mimireco
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I went to the link and can not find Prime. Is there another name listed for this?

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2 years ago#20
pleco85
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they have many different brands theses days so do some research and try to find the best,safest, and most for your money because in the lifetime of the tank you will purchase several bottles for when you do weekly water changes I use top fin they have a wide assortment of meds, conditioners, and cleaners,and can be found at most lps

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2 years ago#21
mimireco
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Thanks, right now I use: Aqua Plus. I also have a product called: Stress Zyme. Is it safe to use both.

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2 years ago#22
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If they do the same thing then you can use either one. Just don't use both at once but I'm sure you realized that already. Looking for a product named Prime isn't always easy to find unless you search for Seachem Prime. Many forget to add the company name and it can make a big difference in search results. I get mine over at Petsmart but I think Amazon.com carries it too.

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2 years ago#23
mimireco
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Oh, I have a Petsmart just around the corner from me. I will check there. Thanks

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2 years ago#24
CrystalW
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Not sure if you should trust PetSmart too much, they told me and I quote, "You can never add too much conditioner, just put a bunch in". Now after having said that, that was probably just a bad employee, but still, be careful....

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2 years ago#25
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I know they (PetSmart workers) often do not know as much as we do. I actually told one guy in the Aquarium department about this site. He was really interested to learn more. However I did find the prime conditioner there. On the directions they do not say how much to use for a 30 to 50 gallon tank. They use numbers for a 200 gallon. I am not good at figuring the 1m and 5m etc. I quess 5m is one tespoon? So I haven't really used it but I did buy it. I liked it because it says it also cuts down Nitrites that Aqua does not say. So can someone who uses Prime tell me how much to use for my 30 and 40 gallon tanks? I mean can you tell me in easy english, like one or two teaspoons, etc.

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2 years ago#26
thea
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How much water are you replacing?

You are right. 5 ml is 1 tsp.

For 10 gallons it says to use 1 ml. you could probably use 1/4 tsp for 10 gallons--that is 1/4 rather than the 1/5 of a tsp you are supposed to use but the overdose is so slight it should not matter unless you are dosing daily (if you go to a dollar store you could buy plastic measuring spoons and rinse the 1/4 tsp well in used tank water -- alternatively and more exact, go to a drug store and buy an infant medicine doser syringe which has ml marked on them. My pharmacy will actually give you one if you ask.

The dosage instructions depend on the size of bottle you buy. The tiniest bottle which I have says 1 drop per 2 liters. The larger bottle said each thread of the cap is 1 ml so that would be another way to measure (1 thread for 10 gallons) if that is the bottle you have.

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2 years ago#27
mimireco
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I got it. I have a 10, 33 and 40 gallon. So for 33 gallon I would use 3 threads. right? Actually I was looking at a syring I had for one of my dogs medications some time ago. It has on there the ml. But I have better understand now. Thanks a bunch. I appreciate.

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2 years ago#28
Goldibug
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Yep, you would use 3 threads to measure for the 33. Your dog is adorable btw!

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2 years ago#29
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Dose to the amount you are removing/replacing unless you are trying to combat an ammonia problem in your tank in which case you can dose your whole tank -- prime will deal with upto 1ppm of ammonia for 24-48 hours so I would be conservative if you are removing water every day.

If it is just for maintenance then dose to the level of replacement water.

There is a margin of safety. I think the bottle says for emergencies you can dose upto 5 times the normal dose, though I would not do that regularly.

Yes your dog is AWESOMELY cute.

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2 years ago#30
mimireco
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I actually have 6 doggies. I did have 7 with a new rescue but found him a home. Now I have... One is a 110 pound Black labrador, one retreiver mix, and 4 Applehead Chihuahua's. Along with all my fishies. I love all gods little creatures except snakes. I have a wild pet lizard that doesn't want to leave my house. Sometimes I see him and pick it up for a while. It is a wild lizard but he's getting tame. I just have to keep my dogs from catching it. lol The picture of my fish is my favorit. When I rescued him from Walmart his one eye was bigger than the other. I thought maybe he had a fungus or parisites or something. But it has been that way so long now even after treatments I looked up online. He swims and eats like a healthy fish and follows me when ever I past the tank. Eye hasn't got any worse, it just stays bigger.There was a white spot on his eye I worried about, but he is so many different colors I guess it is just part of his colorig. Sometimes it shows and sometimes I can barely see it. If he would just hold still I could get a better look. but he wiggles too much. lol

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