Festivum Cichlid

4 years ago #1
Joey
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I have Neon Tetra, Serpae Tetra, and Angelfish with a pair of Bolivian Rams. Can I add a Festivum Or Flag cichlid. I heard that they were somewhat peaceful.
Thanks in advance,
Joey

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4 years ago #2
johnarthur
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It may work for a while if you have a very large aquarium. However, Cichlids can become very aggressive when they mature. Rams should be kept with small, shy fish; angelfish become large and territorial, and spawning pairs need their own aquarium.

The solution is easy. Do like the rest of us and get more and bigger aquariums. We call it MTS, or multi tank syndrome.

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4 years ago #3
Joey
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Thanks JohnArthur. So should I get a festivum cichlid or probably not. I have all female angelfish and they are not agressive at all. I would have gotten fish from Liveaquaria but my parents wouldn't let me. It is a 65 gallon Tank and has an Aqueon quietflow 55/75 filter and a Marineland double bright lighting system. I do water changes and gravel cleaning every two weeks and feed them twice a day. If i get a festivum, where should I get it from, online or locally. I only have one Mom and Pa aquarium shop on the other side of town. If I can't get a festivum how about a Blue or port Acara cichlid or even a Severum. I just want a larger peaceful south american cichlid, Preferably the Acara.
Thanks,
Joey

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4 years ago #4
southern creature
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Hi there Joey,

There is nothing wrong with the combination of fish that you are proposing. They are all Amazonia species and you have set up a good copy of the Amazon (this is called biotoping) and this is one of the smartest ways to keep fish.

Your only problem might be space. Could you please tell me how many of each species of fish you have. This way we can figure out whether there is space for any more fish.

P.S. I have kept Festivum cichlids with Ahgels with great success. The Festivum cichlid is (suposedly) one of the closest living relatives of the Angelfish.

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4 years ago #5
Joey
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Thanks Southern Creature. I have 12 neons, 9 serpaes and 4 angels with 2 cories I didn't mention and the pair of bolivian rams. It is a tall tank rather than long. I would like the most peaceful of all the cichlids I mentioned. I would really prefer the festivum if possible.
Thanks,
Joey
PS: How big does the festivum get and will it eat the neons.

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4 years ago #6
NeonAngelfish
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Thanks Southern Creature. I have 12 neons, 9 serpaes and 4 angels with 2 cories I didn't mention and the pair of bolivian rams. It is a tall tank rather than long. I would like the most peaceful of all the cichlids I mentioned. I would really prefer the festivum if possible.
Thanks,
Joey
PS: How big does the festivum get and will it eat the neons.

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4 years ago #7
southern creature
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Welcome, it's good you joined ,

1stly I'm wondering if you have a test kit that tests for ammonia, nitrIte and nitrAte? These measure the amount of fish waste in your tank and are important for telling you if your tank is being poluted by being over stocked.

Now to answer your question about Festivum cichlids. They grow to about 4-5". This is around the same size as angels which get to 5-6"...there are different types of angels too.
Common angel (Scalare) 5-6", Altum Angels 20" in hight, Dumerili angels abpout the same size as common angels, Lepoldi angels...the smallest and about 1/2 the size of scalare.
I think you would have the common angel Scalare??
These fish need to start with an aquarium no smaller than 30 gallons and then need 10 gallons for each fish after that...so 4 fish would ideally have around 60 gallons.

Then the other small fish that you have need a bit of space too. There is a (very vague) rule that can be used to determine how many fish you can keep abd that is 1" of fish for every gallon of water.
so;
12 neons @ 1" each = 12 gallons
9 serpaes @ 1.5" each = 13-14 gallons
cory cats @2.5-3" each = 5-6 gallons

So once you do all these sums you can see that your tank is already well stocked!!

However the 1" rule is only a very vague "rule of thumb" and you might be able to add more fish if you have the right water conditions...zero ammonia levels, zero nitrItes and a nitrAte reading between 5ppm (parts per million) and 40ppm.
Your water parameters are always a better measure of whether your aquarium is over stocked or not. You should also be watching out for territorial issues like agression, too many fights will be a sign of over
crowding too.

In summing up...if your water parameters are fine then you may be able to add a festivum cichlid, but keep a close eye on your water parameters and territorial issues.

Also I have found Angels to be more agressive than Festivum cichlids and more likely to attack a neon!
How big are your angels atm? Also how do you know the sex of them...this is very hard to determine.

One last thing cory cats like to live in shoals of 4 or more, maybe add a few more.

Sorry this is so long, hope it helps and feel free to ask any more questions.

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4 years ago #8
NeonAngelfish
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I have the api master test kit. My ammonia is at 0.0ppm, my Nitrites are at 0.0ppm, my Nitrates are at 7.1ppm. My angelfish are babies and range from 1.5" to 3" from head to tail. I bought them as females, the retailer knew the sex. The 20 gallon tank question was added by my brother and his angels are 1.5" and 2" long. He decided to wait since it was okay right now.
Thanks,
Jimmy

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4 years ago #9
southern creature
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Your water conditions are great and the fish are so small that they won't over crowd the tank for a while. They also won't get agressive until they grow a bit too.

I don't believe that they can be sexed at this size and your supplier might be mistaken if he/she thinks it can be done.

Still all of your fish are going to need space to grow and while your tank might look bare now the more space they have the better/quicker they will grow.

However how quickly they grow will come back to how well you feeed them, how much soace they have and how clean the water is.

What is your water change and tank maintanence shedule, stuff like cleaning and testing etc.

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4 years ago #10
NeonAngelfish
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I do 30% water changes and clean the gravel every week. I replace filter media every month. I also feed them twice a day. I also test water every two weeks.
Thanks,
Jimmy

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1 year ago #11
Bob L Saget
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Well I just stumbled upon this video, It appears that in the WIld the fish will school with discus another cichlid. So it is something you would have to try but from what I see Different Cichlid species tend to school well obviously you will need atleast 5-6 for them to start schooling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xq7_HaSFHM

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1 year ago #12
RogerUSMC
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Angelfish can NOT be sexed until sexually mature. They need to be at least one year old. The 3" fish may be able to be sexed, but I have my doubts, unless it has spawned. If it has spawned, it shouldn't have been separated from it's mate.
Even when sexually mature, unless caught in the act of spawning, often only an expert may be able to determine the sex. A retailer stating the sex of immature fish is just making a guess. Potential breeders buy 6-8 angels of this size hoping to get 2-4 mated pairs. They have to wait a few months to find out the results.

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