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5 years ago#1
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fish staying at the top of tank and blowing bubbles all gills moving rapid

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5 years ago#2
Phil Saint
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what are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels ? is your tank cycled ? i would sujest a large water change as soon as possible. it sounds like your ammonia or nitrite levels may be dangerously high.

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5 years ago#3
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Pet stores don't often tell customers about the need for a new aquarium to go through its nitrogen cycle. If you want to learn about the nitrogen cycle, try our search key at the top of the page.

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5 years ago#4
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Also, what is the temp of your water? Higher water temps means less oxygen for your fish.

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4 years ago#5
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Wow...all these fish owners and nobody gives a "good" answer. Good meaning, an answer that isn't "ZOMGCHANGEURWATER!!!!!!"
http://www.bettatalk.com/basic_care.htm

Here....

betta's blowing bubbles, it's normal, most of the time. Usually means they are happy, or are ready to reporduce, but it does not mean "Oh, go get a female!" Read the site please, it's informative.

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4 years ago#6
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If a fish stays at the water surface gasping for air, it's a positive indication of burned or irritated gills, which is usually the result of ammonia poisoning. Fish that build bubble nests do not spend all of their time gasping for air. In addition, it's not very difficult to distinguish between spawning behavior and respiratory distress.

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4 years ago#7
Ilovemyfish
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johnarthur: what you described is my betta fish. One day he was a happy swimming fish, I added some water to his vase (half of which I put in another betta fish tank) and the next day he just kept sleeping in and the other fish was fine. He kept on coughing/sneezing and shaking when he moved and I could tell he was having a hard time breathing. I changed his tank and had new water. Put a heater in the tank. Nothing changed. I have researched everything and I cannot find a clear answer.
Bubbles come out of his gills and i know i have never seen this before. I know he cannot breath. He just stays next to the heater and sleeps. If he has some damage done to his gills what can I do? Is there any way to heal him? It's been six days....

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4 years ago#8
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Hi! How big is the tank you have your Betta in? Do you know about nitrogen cycle? Do you check the levels of ammonia, nitrite and nitrate?

Let me now explain- betta fish breathe atmospheric air so they need easy access to water surface. your betta ( i assume it is a male) when is happy and ready to reproduce will blow air bubble nest and he will then stay close to the water surface kind of looking sleepy and like in a trans and on the water surface you will see the bubble nest. bettas often blow the nest overnight to surprise their owners if he blows the nest it is a good sign.

But if he has a rapid gill movement or inflamed gills, is very inactive/lethargic it can be due to water pollution, hence I asked you the questions at the beginning. Ammonia and nitrite are vey toxic and their level should always be zero. Nitrate is less toxic and can be up to 40ppm. You can get test kits to measure those toxic chemicals. Gills are very delicate and therefore these toxins if present in water will affect gills but also other internal organs.

Remember to remove all uneaten food as it will cause ammonia spikes, if he is in a small tank (less than 2g) you need to change 30-50% of water every other day, tanks of size about 3-5g (or bigger like 10g) are the best for betta fish and can be cycled so they have population of friendly bacteria that help to break down the wastes fish produces (urine and faeces). the bigger the tank the more stable water you can have and your fish will be happier and healthier

Hope it helps, when we know the size of your tank and your water change routine we will be able to advise more specifically

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4 years ago#9
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phoenix quaoted bettatalk.com.while faith(founder of bettatalk) says that blowing bubbles is a good sighn she also talks about healthy bubbles and bad bubbles.
Read the entire website before you quote out of context.
I think that you are experiencing the bad bubbles.take the advice our experienced members have given you

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4 years ago#10
Ilovemyfish
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Thanks for the replies.Flame (male betta) is actually my sister and I am looking after him. I have my own betta too, so I am used to taking care of them. But never had to investigate diseases to this level.

unfortunately it is the 'bad' bubbles. (can you send me the link of the article). Unfortunately I am not sure why all of sudden my fish was affected. Flame (the betta) and was in a tall vase (no sure the exact amount of water). She left him at my place on the 8th Jan. I assumed she had changed the water but she might not have.
As I mentioned, I had to add water to her other fish who is in a small tank and who had tail rott. So in a seperate glass container I dechlorinated the water and then added a pinch of Maracyn-2. I dissolved it and added a portion to the the other fish and then the other half to Flames existing water. Flame just seemed sluggish a little after that (the other fish was doing great). That was Friday evening or Saturday. After that he started to cough and have problems breathing and would **** his body whenever he would swim. I should have moved him to a new tank asap but I did not do that till Sunday. Monday he still was having issues so I go him a heater. He went and slept next to that and since then he barely moves.
Yesterday, I found on a website that you should take a flash light and check to see if there are white spots and stuff. And I looked and it seems that he has some white on his back (he is red) and then around him mouth. But since he is not my fish I am not sure if that is how he normally looks or it's a symptom. I am going with it's a symptom.
I do change his water 50% and I added another plant to reduce the ammonia. I also got coppersafe yesterday and added a drop to the water. I also added a pinch of aquirium salt.
Flame is still alive but he barely moves and I don't think he has eaten in days.
I cannot figure out if he has damaged his gills or they are irritated, or he has ammonia posioning or he has ich. It's been a long several days and I have been trying to do everything to heal him. And he still have not eaten......I don't know what else I can do to bring him back to health.

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4 years ago#11
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I wouldn't worry about Flame not eating. betta can go for about a month without food and if he is ill and you treat him with medication he will not have big appetite. So also to avoid water pollution by any uneaten food better stop for few days or try feeding him with boiled de-shelled pea (again remove all uneaten).

If he has white stringy/cottony stuff around his mouth it could be bacterial infection and then it is good you treat with maracyn. If he was cold (tank w/o heater) and now got his heater it is quite normal for him to enjoy it and stay close to it

Do you know what are ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels in his tank? Most fish diseases start because of poor water parameters. Tall vase is not the best option for a betta - as I said they need access to water surface. This vase is his normal home or you have him in it as temporary (until your sister's back) accommodation?

If you already started continue treating with Maracyn as the manufacturer instructs but do not start another treatment. Fish usually cannot handle two medications at once. Aquarium salt can be added to treat fungus or swim bladder - at concentrations 0.1 to 0.3% (1 to 3 g per litre), remember to dissolve the salt completely before adding.

Hope he is better soon!

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4 years ago#12
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yes bettas are labyrinth fish which means they have an extra organ most fish dont have called th labyrinth organ and it is skin folds full of bloodvessels that pull oxygen out of water and air when/where there isnt enough there for them. but there are bad bubble blowings too its when their gills are burned or inflamed an there might be too much toxins(ammonia,nitrite) in your water make sure you give your betta subsequent water changes for the size of tank its in any more questions feel free to ask and welcome to the forum we love to help here

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4 years ago#13
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heres the link: www.bettatalk.com

navigate to betta health and go through all the articles.sory i cant seem to recal wich article it was

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4 years ago#14
mjrkiller308
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other wise wait for one of our betta experts like dkpate and she would love to help you out im sure of it. shes one of the best i know

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4 years ago#15
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I would follow Kasia's advice and keep the water super clean.
Make sure you only use half doses of meds for the bettas. If there are ever any specific directions for tetras, do the same for the bettas.
If you do use salt, do not use it for more than 10 days, or they can go into kidney failure.
Is the white on his chin fluffy or kind of shiny? If it is shiny, my red betta did the same thing about a year ago. I thought it was a sickness, treated him with Melafix. The Melafix did nothing and the shiny whiteness is just part of his coloring, he still has it and he is healthy as can be.
As for the fin rot, is it black around the edges?
Does the vase have a filter? Is the top open? Meaning, I hope it's not one of those that have the plant stuffed on the top.

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4 years ago#16
Ilovemyfish
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Thank you so much for all your replies...
Flame was in a vase (that is what my sister had him in). It did not have a plant on the top or anything. Just a regular fish plant in the water for him to hide in.
He is now in large a fish bowl with a heater and his meds. I'll try the boiled peas that Kasia suggested. My betta girls (Lilly and Jasmine) love shrimp flakes so I will try that with Flame and see if he will eat that.

Flame has white around his mouth and a little on his back. It whitish but not shiny. Does that mean anything.
Flame does not have tail rot. Funder (my 6 year old nephew's beta whom I also baby sitting) had some tail rot, but he is better now. Flame is keeping his fin close to his body. I assume that is because he is sick.

I came home today and Flame is still not moving around and he does not appear to be eating. But his color looked a little better (or at least I think it does). I tried to talk to him everyday... I don't know if it helps him.. I know Lilly and Jasmine like it when I talk to them.

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4 years ago#17
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Sounds like the one betta has clamped fins.
Here is a good article on fin clamping: http://www.bettatalk.com/answer113.htm

Sometimes bettas just don't eat when you first get them, and they eat less when they are being medicated or sick, just like people.

Is there any way you can post a pic of the white stuff?

Bettas can go up to a month without food, so I wouldn't worry just yet. You can try soaking the pellets in garlic juice (I use fresh garlic cloves and a garlic press).

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4 years ago#18
Ilovemyfish
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thank you for the reply dkpate. I took some pictures a few minutes ago but they are not clear. I will try to get some pics tomorrow morning .

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4 years ago#19
Ilovemyfish
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Hi all!

Flame actually unclamped his fins for a short while and swam around this morning!!!! It was only for a short while but you have no idea how amazing it felt to just see him do that small bit. I just hope this is a good sign and he will continue to get healthy again.
dkpate, I will still try to take a pic and post it later tonight. there is some white stuff that I am concerned about, I just want to make sure I know what it was that caused Flame to get sick and make sure he avoids a relapse.

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4 years ago#20
dkpate
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Sounds like he is feeling better!

I will look for pics later.

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4 years ago#21
Ilovemyfish
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Hi! Here is a pic of Flame. He is hiding next to the heater so it's hard to get a good picture, but hopefully you will be able to see the white around his mouth . There a tiny white on tip of his lower fin.

Thanks so much for all your help.

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4 years ago#22
mjrkiller308
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pretty fish hope everythng is better for him

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4 years ago#23
Ebrahim
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you have a nice looking fish.i wouldnt wory about the pale parts too much as my red betta would also get pale on face from time to time.
I would like to know what filtration the bowl has and if its heated?

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4 years ago#24
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Flame is a very handsome Betta

If by the white stuff you mean the whitish colour under his mouth and on the belly - it might also be due to stress and/or suboptimal water parameters. Just keep the water clean, and change it every other day (like 50%) and he should be alright. I still think the bubbles is just his bubble nest. And yes talk to him remember he is in different place now and all animals/pets like to be at the centre of attention. he will feel more secure and will appreciate your care/attention. Has he eaten maybe some pea already? Pea works like a laxative so it will help him regulate his intestine/digestion and also help with swim bladder - swim bladder is often squashed when fish is constipated or overfed and this affects swimming and balance.

PS (edit) I just noticed on the photo the yellow stuff on the water surface - is this pea? If it is it might be better you give him 'betta-size' bites - just when the pea is boiled divide using e.g a toothpick so he can easily eat the bite in one go

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4 years ago#25
some dude
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just incase you didnt know. beta's are a type of fish that breath air from coming to the surface. thats why they dont need airators in there bowl to create surface agitation which allows oxygen into the water.

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4 years ago#26
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Bettas also have gills that they use, as well as the labrinth organ.

The bubbles look like a bubble nest to me.

My red betta also got white under his mouth after I had had him for about 4 months, and I treated him with pretty much everything I could think of, and had no results. He still has the white coloring and that was a year ago, so I think it's just the way he is.

It does look like your little guy has clamped fins though, so clean water will be the best medicine for him.

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3 years ago#27
cheekers
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i have a betta his name is malcom, we have had him for 3 months now, he was always swimming around alot, for a full couple weeks he would just stay and sleep at the bottom, then now for the last week he stays only at the top, he is eating fine, and isnt making alot of bubbles at all like he used to when we first got it, theres barly any for his whole week staying at the top, i change his bowl which is a 4 or 5 gallon bowl, once a week and use water cleaner stuff a couple drops everytime i change his water,,,,i was just wondering if maybe im doing something wrong....?

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3 years ago#28
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Hi cheekers and welcome to MAC,

You may be doing a few things wrong!!

1stly you should never change all of a fish's water in one go (are you doing this?) as you nee a good supply of live bacteria in your tank/bowl to maintain a "nitrogen cycle". Changing all the water at once may remove ALL the beneficial bacteria in one go. A weekly change of 25% is ideal.

Please read this blog by one of our members it will explain the nitrogen cycle to you in very simple terms. http://www.myaquariumclub.com/the-nitrogen-cycle-for- beginners-358.html

Also while the bowl is a good size for one betta, you really should have a filter in the bowl. If you do not have a filter you may need to look at doing more than one 25% water change each week, perhaps two.

It really would be ideal if you were testing your water regularly for ammonia, nitrIte and nitrAte so you can monitor your bowl's/fish's health.

Do you know your water parameters? Ammonia, nitrIte and nitrAte are most important.

Finally depending on where you live you may need a heater.

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3 years ago#29
bell4895
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My fish is staying at the BOTTOM and NOT coming up to the top to eat!what does this mean?!


P.S.It's a GIRL goldfish.

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3 years ago#30
bell4895
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I already have a TEN GALLON tank.My fish still stays at
the bottom.Atully,she started AFTER I got the bigger tank.

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