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4 years ago #1
alan
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how can i cure a swim bladder issue one of my fish is swimming iraticaly when i got up this morning i think its swim bladder has gone what can i do to cure this

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4 years ago #2
KJP
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Swim bladder issue can be due to sub-optimal water parameters so check for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate first, do a 20-30% pwc. Then feed only boiled de-shelled pea - as swim bladder can also be a result of constipation (swim bladder being squashed). If this does not work you can try salt treatment starting at 0.1% (5g=1tsp per 5 litres) but salt will affect plants and also if other fish are not ill they do not to be treated so maybe salt dips better. Swim bladder is rarely fatal so your fish should be able to recover once water quality improves.

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4 years ago #3
alan
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i have done a water test with the api 5 in one test strips all is fine will do a water change tho and what peas kasia do you mean garden peas or bigga peas out of a tin ? and at your salt ratio how many tea spoons for 400 litres ?

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4 years ago #4
southern creature
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This can be as simple as a blockage or it could be an internal bacterial infection.

The 1st (and easiest) thing to try is feeding your fish a shelled and boiled pea or two. Frozen peas are just fine. This is a laxetive and may flush your fish out and clear up any blockage.

Another simple treatment is to add salt to the water, epsom salts are the best, but plain rock salt is OK. DO NOT use table salt. Add 1 teaspoon of salt per 5 gallons, raise the temperature to the mid 80's F. Also increase the oxygenation in your aquarium as warmer water holds less oxygen. Monitor your fish and if it does not improve repeat after 3 days.

Instead you can try a salt bath. This is one teaspoon of salt per gallon and leave the fish in the container/bath for 1/4 hour to 1/2 hour (or until signs of stress show).

If these don't work then it might be bacterial and a dose of octozin or maracyn2 might be needed.

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4 years ago #5
southern creature
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for Kassias salt treatment;

400ltr/5 = 80 teaspoons.

Mine

400litres = 105 gallons (US)

105gal/5 = 21 teaspoons.


*My method the dose increases as you add 21 teaspooons after three days, then more later if things don't improve.


Makes sure that you dissolve the salt REALLY WELL in a jar 1st.


Use frozen "green"/garden peas for a laxetive.

Don't forget you can try a salt bath too, but make double sure the salt is truely dissolved for that. This uses a lot less salt.


What sort of fish are you treating?

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4 years ago #6
alan
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its a penguin tetra i was using salt anyway in my tank but have stoped it the past 2 weeks i still have pure rock salt so i will give it a try but will try the pea thing first thanx all

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4 years ago #7
alan
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i have just had a look now and it is lying on the bottom of my tank not moving at all but still breathing

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4 years ago #8
KJP
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Garden pea, frozen is also okay. no shell, boiled, divided into smaller pieces for small fish like tetra. I would do salt bath - use 0.3% salt fully dissolved first in aquarium water. For about 30 min as SC said. Observe any major distress remove back to tank or hospital tank. You can try feeding him/her? in that smaller container with green pea to see it he eats. Do you have liquid tests? we recommended it earlier. How many fish do you have in your 400litres?

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4 years ago #9
alan
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no i have only got test strips and i now have 35 fish roughly i have lost 3 today alone

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4 years ago #10
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The test strips don't measure ammonia, which is one of the most common toxins found in aquarium water. It's usual source is uneaten food and fish waste products. Both ammonia and nitrite should measure zero. If they do not, the nitrogen cycle is not working.

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4 years ago #11
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Alan 35 fish in a 400liter/105 gallon tank might be full or over stocked, depending on the fish of cause.

It is very important to monitor you ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels as these are a result of fish waste and with 35 fish your filter might not be keeping up!!

To lose 3 fish in one day, there must be a problem and it may well be ammonia

As Kassia pointed out swimbladder/bloat (infact most disease) issues are often caused by bad water conditions.

As johnarthur said strip test do not test for ammonia, also liquid test kits are more accurate and you get so may tests from them that they turn out to be much more economical.

For now your local fiah shop will probably do the tests for you, if you can get this done, please post the results on here for us.

If the losses are continuing it is probably best to do a 20-30% water change for now to make sure the ammonia levels are being reduced.

It wil not hurt to do 20% daily (or every second day) until you have the tests done and we see how your ammonia and nitrite levels are.

Also make sure that you don't over feed and check for any further deaths and remove dead fish ASAP.

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4 years ago #12
alan
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as we speak i am doing my water change hard work lol sc i posted a list of the fish i have to you a couple of weeks ago and you did a calaulation and said i was just on the limit of what i can keep in my tank i have lost fish since then so i dont think it is that, ammonia is my bet so i will get my water tested for that my readinigs on every thing elae are as folows
gh=60-120
kh=0-40
ph=6.5
no2 and no3 both = 0

i take all the dead fish out asap
so i think ammonia is the culprit

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4 years ago #13
southern creature
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Sorry about asking for the list again. Your tank was on it's limit or possibly slightly over stocked!!


I'm wondering why your nitrates (NO3) is reading zero.

The nitrogen cycle works by converting VERY toxic ammonia to VERY toxic nitrites to much less toxic nitrates. Nitrates should register between 5ppm and 40ppm. This shows a working nitrogen cycle....something is wrong!!

Can you test your NO3 again? Is it a liquid test?

Yes ammonia sounds like the culprit, but this is because since your nitrates are also reading zero then the nitrogen cycle might not be working at all.

In fact if it were from over stocking all your results would be giving high readings.

We need to get your cycle working or have bettter quality tests done???

Can you get an ammonia reading done?

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4 years ago #14
alan
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no3 is looking like it might be slightly over o i have tryed to take a pic of the test strip so you can see but not working i will get a propper test done tomorow and report back

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4 years ago #15
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This is the problem with strip tests.

Some liquid tests will be best (including ammonia), this will be best to help decide what to do next.

Have you lost any more or are any more fish looking sick today?

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4 years ago #16
alan
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yes i still have a few that are looking sick the worst is a mickey mouse platty it has a cloudy look about it and it is not moving around my tank and has clamped fins

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4 years ago #17
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Sorry to hear that there are more sick fish

The test are very important mate! Whether it is an ammonia spike or a failed cycle you'll need to keep up the partial water changes as there is waste/ammonia produced as you do a cycle with fish!!

Look I'd go daily with the water changes.
If it'a a high (any) ammoina reading the shop will try and sell you ammonia-lock, this is not necessary as water changes can will get ammonia down.

If it is a failed (or lack of cycling) you'll need to add some beneficial bacteria either from a product like "tetra safe start" (there are many more),this is good in my opinion. Also bacteria can come from moving some gravel from an established aquarium.

Make sure that you add a dechlorinator like "stress coat" each water change as this will reduce stress on the fish. Stresscoat contains alo vera and this helps protect the fish's slime coat.




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4 years ago #18
alan
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will do mate i will get the test done tomorow and let you know asap going to bed now as its 2am and only just finished my tank speak to you tomorow zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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4 years ago #19
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This is 400 litres tank - right? the tank this volume can take some time to get cycling properly - have you added all your fishes at once or in steps? I also tend to think the cycle is not working properly or not at all. Tetra makes bactozym capsules- you put inside the filter, also make sure the tank is well aerated, bacteria that makes the nitrogen cycle are aerobic and require oxygen. Get api master test kit or api ammonia if it is the one you missing asap. ammonia is a killer. Is it a well planted tank? How are your fish doing?

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4 years ago #20
alan
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another fish dead i have orderd the api fresh water master kit off the net so should be here monday at the latest untill then i will keep doing 20% water changes my tank has been up and running since september last year i have only got fake plants and my air pump is on 24/7 it is a tetra tech aps 300 i never had any problems untill i did a 90% water change and claened my gravel and everything else in the tank last december BIG MISTAKE i know but it was always cloudy and dirty looking and i wasnt doing regular water changes just one big one now and then so now i am doing regular changes and hopefully doing it right this time and i think me and my fish are paying the price for my mistakes now !!

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4 years ago #21
mjrkiller308
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i too like the tera tech pumps i have the AP150 and its works great. but yeah everyone **** up we all do it but the important part is, that we learn and overcome them. the API master kit is great and as accurate your gonna get. if you got the one with 800 tests then it will pay for itself real fast. ive had mine for a year and its still 7/8 full. good luck and just ask if you need help we love helping aquarists new and old with their problems or even a suggestion or tip.

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4 years ago #22
gbose
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Alan,

I think you accidentally wiped out your bacterial colony when cleaning your tank....

I'd stick with the water changes every day, until your ammonia and nitrites are zero...

Good luck!

GB

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4 years ago #23
alan
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will do thanx

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2 years ago #24
Ali
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My fish is the same Have tried a water change and filter clean and some soft boiled potato. Just hoping now to see improvement, will try pea later.

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2 years ago #25
lila
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not true that made my fish worse

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2 years ago #26
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The thread you responded to is fairly old. If you wish to restate your question, one of us will try to answer it.

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2 years ago #27
Louise
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You are very well in the know, I have had my favourite Molly start the same symptoms today. So have been reading your advice. Fingers crossed I don't lose her.

Louise

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2 years ago #28
georgii
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i am having the exact same problem with pretty much the same fish all tests are fine, just seem to be struggling with swim bladder i thing, i have put them in a cradle net but are not eating the peas any help pretty please, was it the potatos that made them worse? thank you fir any responce

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2 years ago #29
ADAM
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I have tried peas for my danio but he is not eating anything

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2 years ago #30
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Fast him for a three days and add a teaspoon of epsom salt for every gallon of water he is in. If you don't have a quarantine tank you can float a plastic container (I.e. betta cup, new glad container) in the main tank, mix the solution of epsom salt in a gallon sized container and do a 100% water change of the danios water daily. If he's in a tank do a 25% water change daily with the same ratio of epsom salt added (1 tsp. per gallon of new water).

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