4 years ago #1
Deets
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We have a new (to us) 75 gallon fresh water tank. My son has been working hard to set it up and make it as natural as he can. We purchased some plastic plants that looked as close to the live ones we collected around the ponds.

The real plants we see look great, but he felt they are a bit high maintenance for him at this point.

We set them short to tall...thick to thin...from the front of tank to the back. when we add bait fish to the tank it seems to offer good cover when larger fish feed...and cover for the crawfish that are about 2 in long and have not molted (since we have had them)

The structure that was added synthetic logs, rocks, big and small like we find around the lakes we fish.

SO....is there a formula for the amount of cover...is the tank or the water offended by using Plastic...Other than what we have done looks GREAT and natural...don't know really how to ask the right question here but maybe you can read past my babble...we have good water flow..and filtration...small rock to pea gravel no sand as of yet....anyway

thanks very one

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4 years ago #2
mjrkiller308
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first off welcome to our forum ans i just purchased a 75 gallon also setting it up on tuesday but i prefer the real plants over fake because they have a few advantages over fake 1 being they provide natural oxygen and they play as a natural filter for toxins and bacteria (bad ones) that can form in the water. and for ur gravel did u rinse it b4 puting into tank and for the fake plants and logs and rocks did u rinse those too what was ur whole process b4 entering these things in to the new aquarium and did u let ur tan cycle b4 introducing ur fish and crawfish plz get back to me id love to help just need more info first lol

ps could u include some pics too

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4 years ago #3
doze86
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I would say go for real plants. I started off with plastic plants as well, seeing as there is no real maintenance there. But after switching to live plants, I can tell my fish seem more at home now. Plastic can't really mimic the natural advantages of real plants. Like mjkiller said, they produce oxygen, act as a natural filter which is always a plus, and plastic tends to be a tad rough on fish to be honest. You can start with any anubia species which tend to come cheap and they can grow with little to no maintenance. Watersprite is another easy one that grows quick without having to do anything to it but trim it to your liking.

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4 years ago #4
Ebrahim
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well fake plants dont die and they last forever.on the other hand they dont do anything for water quality.
Live aquatic plants are great 4 tanks,but they have specific needs like substrate ,ferts and light.
If u can provide sufficient amounts of all 3 then ur plants should be fine.
Ur tank and plants sounds like it looks beautiful.could u post sum pics?

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4 years ago #5
clonlaracyclone
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Welcome to the forum Deets your tank sounds beautiful would also love to see photo of
Having plastic plants will not affect your water in a good or bad way As you say for now no harm in your son just getting use to running and maintaining the aquarium Getting into a routine with the partial water changes and filter cleaning
Eventually when ye both feel confident enough you could start trying out some real plants by swapping one fake for one real to see how it goes

There is no real rules or formula to the amount of plant cover you provide Just enough hiding places for the fish to feel safe in and be able to chase each other around
If you have a real floating plant like water sprite or hornwort then your fish will be encouraged to breed You could watch baby fish (aka fry)grow up in your tank
Something to think about for the future perhaps

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4 years ago #6
mjrkiller308
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another couple good benefits of real plants are food source and algea prevention now reason # 1 The only source of food in a fish only aquarium is the owner of the aquarium (aside from algae for algae eaters). That means the fish are entirely dependent on u and the food u give them. If u don't make wise choices and vary their diet, they may not be as healthy and can bcome more vulnerable to disease. Also if u forget to feed them they have no other source of food. In a planted aquarim, the fish have a choice. Although not all fish will eat plants, most will pick at the leaves and dead or dying plant matter if no other food is available. It also helps to vary their diet. Many fish are omnivorous and need to eat plant material.


#2 Algae occurs because there are nutrients in the water and there is light (even low light). In a planted aquarium, plants can outcompete algae and use up all of the nutrients in the water. Altough this can open up a whole other can of worms while you try to get your light levels and nutrient levels right, once you get your planted aquarium balanced, you will most likely never have to clean the glass or pull algae off the gravel again.

hope that helped gl in ur future aquarist days

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4 years ago #7
KristinAnn
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I think everyone else is doing a good job of explaining. I just wanted to throw in- make sure you read up on the nitrogen cycle BEFORE adding fish!

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4 years ago #8
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Thanks folks........After reading through the loads of posts here i saw this is a well used topic. Yes when we helped to take the tank apart we washed all the gravel and structure...hung the gravel in a pillow case to let it drip and drain out cleaned the tank...came home and washed it all again.

We have well water added all the ingredients...to it and let it set im sure not long enough...75 gal.

We will introduce some of the plants suggested by ya'all and slow but sure we'll get our green thumb badge.

enjoy the week end coming

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"don't let a cowboy make the coffee"

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4 years ago #9
mjrkiller308
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u can get this chemical for instantly cycling ur tank it works good i always use it and never had problems in any of my 7 tanks that were all set up at once so thats up to u if u get plants let me add in to get some plant food in any form will work gl i just bought half dozen more plants my fish love tem and they look great too gl again

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4 years ago #10
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A new product called Start Smart claims to cycle an aquarium instantly, and at least one of the aquarium magazines liked it. They didn't say anything about the cost.

Personally, I'm a bit skeptical of instant success claims. The cycling products contain deactivated bacteria that come back to life in aquarium water. To establish the nitrogen cycle, the bacteria still have to grow. A more prudent approach would be to dump in the product, wait a week, measure to be sure ammonia and nitrite are zero, then add fish.

People living in hot or cold climates also need to consider storage issues. If shipping or warehousing involves significant exposure to temperature extremes, the deactivated bacteria could get permanently deactivated.

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4 years ago #11
mjrkiller308
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this is true john but i get mine straight from the fish store and owners are good friends so they tell me whats bad and good but i havent ever had a problem with instant cycling its working right now btw i just posted my new tank set up and my new angels too check them out bro c if it sucks or doesnt lol

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4 years ago #12
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Another thing to worry about with instant cycling is that some of the products use anaerobic bacteria, but the bacteria we need is aerobic. While the anaerobic bacteria does maetabolize the ammonia, it cana lso starve off all the good bacteria by eating all the ammonia first. So even though the tank acts cycled, it's not.

That's just a claim I have heard and am skeptical of. It might not be true, but is just something to be aware of. Bottles say loads of things, not all of them are always true.

John is right, though. that you don't have control to the conditions the bottle was in before you bought it. It could have been in nasty temperatures, or have simply already been on a shelf for two years (most people guess the bacteria can live 2 years in the deactivated state).

We aren't saying it won't work or shouldn't be used - I use them myself at times. Just be aware that complications may arise and you need to be ready for them if they do.

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4 years ago #13
mjrkiller308
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ty for the info sweety it was well taken and i know they arent always to be trusted but i havent had problems yet and i have the same bottle batch i bought 6 bottles of same stuff at same time so if one is good im pretty sure the others are too but ty for the info lots and lots

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