4 years ago #1
JB
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Hi,

I have a Marina .9 gallon cube aquarium w/LED light which houses my Betta, snail, a rock and a live plant. You can't see it, but there is a large tunnel in the rock for more swim space.
The water gets cloudy and smells bad a day after a water change. I feed the Betta 4 Betta Bio-Gold pellets, 3 times a day. He always eats all 4 within seconds; never leaves anything behind.
I'm having to do daily 50% water changes just to keep it clean.
Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
JB

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4 years ago #2
Megham
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Your betta is lovely! Though a nearly one gallon tank is considerably better than a betta cup, it is not quite large enough. Try something a little closer to five gallons. I don't see a filter which even a betta needs. Just out of curiosity, where did you get that rock? Did you boil it first? There could be decaying matter inside all those little holes that is smelling up your tank. I would remove it and see if that changes anything.

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4 years ago #3
JB
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I didn't boil the rock, but I did spray it down and kept it underwater in my sink for hours before putting it in the tank.
Do you think I'm over feeding the Betta? The instructions recommend 2-4 pellets up to 3 times a day, depending on the size of the Betta. As you can see, he is of good size. Should I decrease the amount that I am giving him?
Unfortunately, I can't get a larger tank; I used to have a 135 gallon tank back when space wasn't an issue.
I don't think there is a filter small enough for my size tank, plus with the LED light, there wouldn't be room to place one.
It is what it is for now.

Should I boil the rock or just reduce the amount of food?

Thanks,
JB

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4 years ago #4
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Try cutting back on the feeding. A couple of pellets per day is plenty. Also if you remove the rock you can drop in a small sponge filter to help with the water quality. Larger volumes of water are more stable and since you can't get a larger tank then you need to maximize the space you have.

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4 years ago #5
JB
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Thanks Megham & FD. I'll start by reducing the amount of food. If that isn't enough, I'll try the other suggestion.

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4 years ago #6
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Hi - what a lovely Betta!!!

What do yo mean by 'spray the rock'? I would boil it and also put it in a bucket for few hours or overnight and check the pH. Boiling would kills any possible parasites and bacteria and fungi, so it will make it far safer to use in your tank.

Do you have test kit to measure ammonia, nitrite and nitrate? Do you know about nitrogen cycle. as already suggested I would also recommend bigger tank and proper setup with filter and heater. Betta thrive in 78-80F.

I feed my Betta - 4 Hikari betta biogold pellets, 2 in the morning 2 in the evening. I also sometimes give him 3 pellets and one shrimp wafer that he loves And it is a good practice to have one day a week as fasting day. It helps them regulate the bowel movements.

You also mentioned a snail. What snail is it?

I would also recommend be very strict on water changes until you get him a bigger tank. try to get moss ball/ marimo ball - they are great at cleaning water.

Another issue is that since you do not have filter or airstone I suspect your water is very still and can be low in oxygen. It can then create problems for nitrogen cycle and animals. Another reason to get him a bigger 'proper' tank. How long do you have this setup?

I would also recommend reading some blogs/articles - like 'nitrogen cycle for beginners' to familiarise yourself with the importance of nitrogen cycle and biological filtration.

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4 years ago #7
JB
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Hi KasiaJB,

Well, let's see:

I have a high pressure spray nozzle in my sink. I use it to get rid of any debris on the outer surface of the rock. After that I left it under hot water in my sink for hours before putting it in the tank. I know I must be coming off as a major newbie to the hobby, but I've been keeping freshwater aquariums for quite some time; 30 gallons, 60 gallons and the last one was 135 gallons. I've never had any problems with water condition before. All my tanks have included rocks, driftwood and live plants. I kept a nice variety of Discus in the 135 gallon, so checking Temperature, PH, water hardness, nitrite and nitrate were all a major part of my routine.

This is the first "small" tank I've had, and believe me, it's a humbling experience. I went from two high powered Fluval canister filters to no filters.

I'm currently doing daily water changes until this problem stabilizes. I'm using a turkey baster to get the water out so I'm not just getting the top section with a cup. I add a small amount of Nutrafin's Aqua Plus water conditioner for every cup I put in.

The snail was sold as a "Mystery Snail". If you open up my first pic, there's a good shot of him in the upper right hand.

I'm using the same Hikari Betta Bio-Gold pellets. He was getting 12 a day (the max amount suggested on the package), but I have reduced it to 2 pellets a day after reading what Fry Daddy suggested.

I've had the tank now for two weeks; the plant is thriving, the snail gets around all over the tank. I feed him a partial algae wafer every couple of days. The Betta is very alert and inquisitive; he's always swimming around and likes to play under the rock and in the plant. He also has a huge appetite. Back when he was getting the full 12 pellets, he'd quickly eat them all.

I'm really hoping that the food reduction will correct the problem. Due to lack of space, I can't get a larger tank (it took all my negotiation skills to get the wife to agree on this one). So, I'm trying to make the best of what I have.

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4 years ago #8
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Oh I did not realise you have so much experience in fish keeping. But then you know better what to do to provide him with thriving conditions - he's such a beautiful betta - would be a pity his health gets compromised because of the water conditions

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4 years ago #9
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KasiaJB wrote:
Oh I did not realise you have so much experience in fish keeping. But then you know better what to do to provide him with thriving conditions - he's such a beautiful betta - would be a pity his health gets compromised because of the water conditions ;-)


I take it that sarcasm is On The House; no need to pay an expert for that, right?
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4 years ago #10
Jimmeh
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dude, if you know so much about fish why are you keeping a betta in such a small tank, If I had all your years of experience I would rather have no fish than to put one though a lot of pain and suffering,

2 weeks the tanks been setup do you really know what the nitrogen cycle is?

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4 years ago #11
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On our forum we provide information for people who are not yet very familiar with fish keeping, we try to educate and have various articles/blogs to cover a vast information about fish. It's up to you to decide whether or not you already have that knowledge. Our interest is as little harm to the fish as possible and as much education for fish keepers as possible. And I am positive we are fulfilling that goal on MAC very well. You're also free to choose what you think better for you - paying for an expert to provide you with the step-by-step help or posting on the main forum as we do have both options available.

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4 years ago #12
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Jimmeh wrote:
dude, if you know so much about fish why are you keeping a betta in such a small tank, If I had all your years of experience I would rather have no fish than to put one though a lot of pain and suffering,

2 weeks the tanks been setup do you really know what the nitrogen cycle is?


Well, little Jimmeh,
Since you don't seem too bright, I'm going to repeat what I mentioned earlier: All of the experience I've had with fish have been with much larger tanks; I've never kept a Betta before, nor have I ever had a small tank with no filtration before. So when it comes to my current situation, I have NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL. That is why I joined this board; to see if it's possible to keep this fish happy in this environment. If it isn't, then I will see if it is possible to get a larger tank, or I'll shut it down and return the fish. I have no desire to make any fish suffer.
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4 years ago #13
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JB - with whole respect it is not a practice at our forum to get personal. I think you cannot judge someone after seeing one post and even if you maybe rather keep your judgement to yourself. I certainly do not have any desire to get involved in this bizarre argument however we are friendly forum and we expect you to respect our rules. We do want to help you, you have asked for this help and one obvious suggestion was get bigger tank and cycle it.

I understand you have experience with larger setups, and as you know very well from your previous experience water stability gets compromised easily when water volume is small. It is possible to keep betta successfully in smaller volume tanks like 2-3 g but what we usually recommend 5g as minimal setup for betta. He looks to be a happy and healthy fish so it's obvious he is not suffering. I suggested bigger tank (even from your current 1g to 3g would make a big difference) because of your issues with water quality and indeed such small volume tank can be tricky to cycle successfully and to maintain water stability. Try cutting down feeding and make sure he east everything. What are your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate readings?

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4 years ago #14
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KasiaJB wrote:
JB - with whole respect it is not a practice at our forum to get personal. I think you cannot judge someone after seeing one post and even if you maybe rather keep your judgement to yourself.


Hmm...did you read Jimmeh's post? When someone accuses me of purposely putting a fish through pain and suffering, I tend to get personal.

I picked up a Fluval SPEC tank this afternoon. It's a 2 gallon tank with 3 stage filtration, air-flow and a light.

I boiled the rock (as suggested) and have sequestered the Betta and snail into the original 1 gallon tank. The rock and plant have been transferred to the Fluval 2 gallon. The Betta and snail will be transferred to the new tank tomorrow evening after its had 24 hours of filtration.

I'm going to keep his diet down to 2-3 pellets of Betta Bio Gold a day, instead of the 12 he was getting when he had no filtration.

I'll post pics as soon as they're in their new environment.

I do appreciate your help and patience, KasiaJB. It's obvious you care a lot about this hobby and this forum.
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4 years ago #15
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Just adding my two cents here:

The tank is "okay" for the betta, but you will need to do 3-4 partial water changes every week, and move the mystery snail.
Mystery snails need at least 2 gallons just to themselves, since they get fairly big. I just recently adopted mine out, and she was the size of a golf ball. (I will post a pic if I can find one).
As for the betta, you already know 12 pellets is wayyy too much. I pretty much follow the same feeding routine as Kasia, but I don't fast mine, I feed peas once a week. Also, I always soak the pellets for at least 10 minutes before feeding.
Also, I would recommend trying to find a little undergravel filter, and lowering the water level in the tank a little, so he has more room to get surface air.

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4 years ago #16
Ebrahim
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hey JB
The 2 gallon is a good move and it sounds like you have a solid system going.
Please let the new tank cycle first.1 or 2 weeks is enough time for a 2 gal to cycle.

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4 years ago #17
Jimmeh
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JB Sorry if I came across as being a apprant-****,

I have a betta in a 2G cube if you wanted some advice,

I have to do daily water changes, but it keeps him happy and since its so small it is litirally one cup out one cup in... and I found this dinky heater and filter on ebay, hit me up if you want the link.

again sorry for being a troll

J.B. wrote:

Jimmeh wrote:
dude, if you know so much about fish why are you keeping a betta in such a small tank, If I had all your years of experience I would rather have no fish than to put one though a lot of pain and suffering,

2 weeks the tanks been setup do you really know what the nitrogen cycle is?


Well, little Jimmeh,
Since you don't seem too bright, I'm going to repeat what I mentioned earlier: All of the experience I've had with fish have been with much larger tanks; I've never kept a Betta before, nor have I ever had a small tank with no filtration before. So when it comes to my current situation, I have NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL. That is why I joined this board; to see if it's possible to keep this fish happy in this environment. If it isn't, then I will see if it is possible to get a larger tank, or I'll shut it down and return the fish. I have no desire to make any fish suffer.
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4 years ago #18
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That's one beautiful Betta and a great photograph, but then I'm partial to red.

Bettas have a very small tummy, about the size of their eye, and are not big eaters. In a small aquarium, uneaten food will quickly raise the ammonia content of the water and stress the fish. Stress in turn decreases appetite so there's more uneaten food. All this means it's a good idea to remove any food that doesn't get eaten in a couple of minutes. A turkey baster works well for that job, but it doesn't do much for the flavor of the turkey.

Sorry about the turkey remark and any heated statements made in connection with this posting. It's OK to make bad jokes on our forum (At least I get by with it all the time.) but it's not OK to be impolite. That's why mods and admins can delete inappropriate stuff, although such things are done very reluctantly.

Thanks again for joining our forum. I hope you'll share some of your aquarium experiences with us; we're all learning.

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3 years ago #19
robert
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i had a betta in a vase for 4 years with a peace lily and didnt have any thing but that plant in with it and just changed the water every week and he did fine though i have had a long existing experience with fish 132 tanks at one time , 28 10gal, 4 140gal, 30 90gal, 80 misilaniouse tanks off the case but i had an angle fish that would let me reach in the tank and he would let me rub his side though i worked with him for a while.

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3 years ago #20
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When it comes to aquarium keeping, there are survivable conditions and ideal conditions. Most of us try to provide ideal conditions for the aquarium fish, although few are actually able to do so.

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3 years ago #21
Debbie
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I have 15 betas and change their water once a week using TopFin tap water conditioner. Ive been keeping betas for 5 years and they live an average of 1-2 years

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3 years ago #22
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Some betta do live some years longer, but usually in exceptional cases where water conditions have been absolutely perfect. Our enclosed space, small tank environements that you commonly see need constant attention and can due to their small size introduce toxins or other properties that the fish has a problem with that the naked eye cannot see, and the first indication is usually the fish showing signs of illnesses.

Thing is, we (most) go to work/school so there are gaps in our day where just about anything can happen, and i think every fishkeeper has had a night where they are really tired after work and leave their maintenance window til the following day. While i'm fairly regimented with mine on wednesdays and sundays, there are some times where I move the day one day if i'm not up to it, but never more than a day.

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2 years ago #23
Peace Love Bettas
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they would be in smaller tanks at pet stores so that fish is not in agony thanks very much.

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2 years ago #24
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clean the fish tank and give it a little less food so it does not dropp on the bottom by the why i love your betta

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1 year ago #25
jan
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Hey...no dissin' the turkey baster! That's what I use in my 3 gallon!

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1 year ago #26
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jan wrote:
Hey...no dissin' the turkey baster! That's what I use in my 3 gallon!:thumb-up:


Just a quick FYI, in the upper right hand corner of every post is the time it was last added to. If you post to old threads like this, then genuine questions posted lately get buried under them, making it hard to help people with genuine new questions and concerns.

Welcome... you should join this site, it's a fun place with people who genuinely care.
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1 year ago #27
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I'm going to go ahead an lock this post. If anyone has questions please feel free to post a new question.

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