4 years ago #1
Emily
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I have an Angelfish that is about 2 1/2 years old. For about a week, he was swimming around normally, but not eating. After about a week, I found him nose down in a plant, and I thought he was dead. I scooped him with the net and he started to swim around, but he kept ending up on the bottom of the tank.

I took him out of the main tank, in case he had some kind of wierd disease that could spread to my other fish..(I have not added any new fish or plants or changed food recently). I have had him in an isolation tank for the last 5 days, thinking he was about to die. I put some aquarium salt in the water, and turned up the heater to about 80. For 2 days, he sat at the bottom of the tank, and other than his gills moving, I would swear he was dead. I have only seen him swim a little bit, and he seems as though he is bent in a "U" shape, with his tail fin kinda to the side.

I am sure he is going to die, I feel so bad, he hasn't eaten, and I feel like putting him out of his misery, but I can't bring myself to do it.


Any ideas???

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4 years ago #2
KristinAnn
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I'm no expert on angels, so maybe wait for johnarthur or another angel person to answer.
How are your ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates?

If it were me, and the spine were bent to the point of a U, I would euthanize. The clove oil method is most humane. I just had to euthanize a couple fish about a week ago. What I did that helped me a lot was I made all the measurements before hand, and had everything poured into seperate bowls in the correct amounts (water for fish, clove oil-water mixture, vodka), so that once it was started all I had to do was pour them from the bowls. That made it easier, because since they are all clear like I water I didn't have to envision anything bad, I just kinda let my mind go blank and poured almost mindlessly. It made it a lot easier.

But the decision to euthanize is up to you. Maybe someone else here will have a miracle cure.

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4 years ago #3
far2sexy
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The water is fine, and all my other fish are fine...

I am hoping someone has a miracle cure! I rescued him from a friend who was going to flush him alive because she was leaving town, and he has become my favorite fish. I've had him for 2 1/2 years now.

He is not totally bent in half, just sorta beginning to form a u-ish shape. Like he's turning his back fin towards his mouth to grab it, that's what it looks like. Other than that, he really doesn't look sick. I do have all kinds of meds at home, so if someone knows what he might have, I can try to treat him.

I have heard of using clove oil, but it sometimes doesn't work? I would hate to try to put him out of his misery and make it worse...

I hope that John guy could help? He seems to be quite knowledgeable.

P.S. I have registered on here since posting the original question, I am Emily.

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4 years ago #4
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You mentioned that you raised the temperature to 80. Angelfish usually prefer 82. Even though they can tolerate cooler temperatures for quite a long time, it will eventually wear them down and result in illness. You may want to gradually raise the temperature a few degrees.

Although angelfish are large and aggressive, they're also rather delicate and are especially sensitive to rapid changes in water parameters as well as any water quality issues. Most well kept aquariums will have precursors of diseases and parasites, and even small upsets can make angelfish vulnerable. When you checked water chemistry, did you get zero readings for ammonia and nitrite? What kind of tankmates did the angelfish have?

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4 years ago #5
far2sexy
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His tankmates were 1 pleco, 7 neons, 1 albino catfish, 1 kuhli loach, 2 black skirt tetras, and 2 zebras. As I mentioned, I have had the angelfish for 2 1/2 years, and he is the newest addition to the tank. All my other fish are older than him.

I don't remember the numbers, I just know there was nothing alarming.


It may be unusual, but my Angelfish was an Angel! He was never aggressive. Very calm.

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4 years ago #6
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Have you heard the tales of terror about the nocturnal pleco? If they don't get enough to eat, they will suck the protective slime coat off a sleeping fish. I hope that didn't happen, but angelfish would make a good target.

Moving a sick fish to a hospital tank may be a good idea so long as the nitrogen cycle is working. If it's not, the ammonia and/or nitrite will just add to the stress of moving.

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4 years ago #7
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Actually, I have heard that of plecos. Mine is a bit of a maniac. He often tears around the tank and uproots plants. He is pretty big! When I got him he was about an inch long, now he is a good 6 inches. I do feed him algae chips, and there is always some algae in the tank for him to eat. 29 gallon tank.

Do you think that may have been what happened to my angel? The angel seemed to lose his appetite for a week, and he went downhill from there. He hasn't gotten any better in the isolation tank. (the isolation tank has been running for about 6 months, it has cycled).

Do you think there is any hope for him? Other than making sure the water chemistry is good, can I do anything else to try to save him?

How would I know if he had sucked the coating off of him? Is there anyway for it to regenerate? Could that cause the fish to bend the way I mentioned? (Sorry for the 20 questions!)

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4 years ago #8
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It seems like there would be some physical evidence if the pleco had done any damage. Of course the angelfish could have been harassed to the point where the stress affected him. Some water conditioners like Stress Coat claim to help replace the protective slime coat, and it can't hurt if you use it for a couple of partial water changes. Angelfish always seem to respond well to partial water changes. The temperature adjustment should also help.

Loss of appetite is usually one of the first signs that a fish is under stress. It could be the culmination of long term stress form cool water or inappropriate tankmates, or it could be something more immediate like the pleco. In any case, an optimum environment will give him the best chance at recovery. Please keep us posted.

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4 years ago #9
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Thank you so much for your help, I will try that slime coat stuff (if he is still alive when I get home). I will keep you posted!

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4 years ago #10
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So he is still alive...I looked at him closely, and I noticed in a large section on his side there is absolutely no sheen on his body. There is an area where you can tell he has his glittery scales, and in other areas it is just dull and matte. Is this a symptom of a pleco sucking off the slime coating? If I try the Stress Coat, is it possible he could recover?

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4 years ago #11
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I would say that yes, it probably is the pleco, or he could have a fungus. I would try some Stress Coat/Stress Zyme, the one that has aloe in it, and if that doesn't work, I would get some Pimafix and Melafix to treat the tank. They are all natural and won't kill your boilogical filter.

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4 years ago #12
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I bought this gigantic bottle of Stress Coat and I put a few pumps into the water. However, I think it is too late. My poor angel is lying flat on the bottom of the tank. I think the end is near, but I am not giving up on him just yet...

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4 years ago #13
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Please keep us posted.

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4 years ago #14
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Quick update...

He is still alive. He has been swimming around a bit; upside-down, but swimming. His body is still sort of twisted.

I have done 2 partial water changes, and I am using the Stress Coat. Temperature is approx 83.

For the benefit of the other fish in the main tank with my maniac pleco, I have been feeding him extra algae chips.

Do they have a rescue sanctuary for unwanted/abandoned plecos?

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4 years ago #15
killertoonswife
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Ahh I am so interested to see if your fish makes it. I don't have any information on how to save him/her but I started reading and am lookng forward to knowing hat happens. Crossing my fingers for your fish to make a speedy recovery.

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4 years ago #16
dkpate
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You could ask the pet store if they would take the pleco, or put an ad on Craigslist or something.

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4 years ago #17
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I just had to take my 10 inch pleco back to the local pet store. Most Mom & Pop pet stores will take them off your hands, and some will give you store credit for it. My fish store doesn't always give store credit, though, it depends on how many they already have in stock on that fish. Of course, for me, as long as the fish isn't terrorizing my tank and is happy, the store credit doesn't really matter.

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4 years ago #18
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Thanks everyone! I am also crossing my fingers and hoping he pulls through. And if he doesn't, I just hope he isn't suffering too much.

I will definitely look into giving my pleco to the petstore. I would happily pay THEM to take him off my hands! He was just a cute little guy about the size of my thumb when I got him, now he is practically the size of my forearm!

Today my angel was swimming around again. I know he hasn't eaten much in the last couple weeks so I dropped in a few flakes for him. I will keep you posted!

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4 years ago #19
far2sexy
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My profile pic...not the greatest quality, it was taken about 2 years ago when I was messing around with my new camera. That is Johnny the Angelfish, the one I have been talking about. Thought you might like to see him

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4 years ago #20
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He died on Friday
Thanks to everyone who tried to help.

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4 years ago #21
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4 years ago #22
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I know, I am quite sad.

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4 years ago #23
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I am sorry to hear about your loss

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4 years ago #24
Dwarf Gourami Lover
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Im sorry i have lossed fish and actually bird where they seem to go crazy,twisting and jumping (swimming up side down) and plumeting around. Then all goes still. I hate to watch it....i cant do anything but they look so helpless....

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4 years ago #25
mjrkiller308
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yeah its most likely swimbladder disease i had a couple angelfish that came down with this. its due to poor water parameters. or their constapated you can try feeding a pea that was blanched or steamed. take the skin off and stick a tooth pick through it and let it float on top of aquarium. i learned that here. it worked for me and many others gl and keep us posted

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3 years ago #26
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If i was you id put a driftwood in there for your pleco to suck on,as for the angel, only tlc will help,and time,do all you can,give him a chance atleast dont do that clove oil ****!

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3 years ago #27
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The common pleco is nocturnal and has been known to attack sleeping tankmates. The attack involves eating part of the victim's protective slime coat.

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2 years ago #28
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I think the ph levels in your tank might not be level or maybe something wrong with the nitrogen cycle in your tank might be messed up. The same thing happened to me but I couldn't figure out why my silver mollie was like that but i read johnarthur's response and he told me that the ph levels and nitrogen cycle were out of wack and he told me how to check them. My fish still ended up dying though. Couldn't figure out why after all I did for him. Good luck and I hope my advice helped!

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