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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
PAV629
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I just got back from Lowes with everything I need to make my sump and refugium. The only problem is the Rubbermaid totes are too big to fit under the tank (as I was afraid they would be). I got the smallest ones (10 and 18 gallons) but they are still too big. The dimensions are as follows:

18' from front of stand to wall 11' depth of stand, giving 7' from back of stand to wall 48' length of stand 21' height of stand 10' doors (x2) 12' between each 4' vertical support at back of stand

So, it looks like I need to get two tall and narrow containers but I don't know if this is okay to do. Also the trash cans I am looking at (small and narrow containers, if anyone has another suggestion I'm open) are fairly
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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If you have a center brace in the front you can temporarily remove it. That's the only way my sump would fit.
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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As in cut it out? Then would I glue it back in place? This is a wood stand, I forgot to mention. What do you think of this:

Perhaps you could just build plywood boxes of the max size you can fit through doors or whatever, THEN go back to Lowes, buy some 1/8' acrylic, cut the acrylic to needed dimensions to fit inside boxes and seal all the seams with silicone. Would be easier than trying to seal,paint and caulk I would think. I just don't think there is any ready built aquariums with the size/volume that you want that would fit, sooo why not make one or two...

This is what someone at the saltwaterfish discussion board recommended.

Thomas
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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build your sump out of acrylic.. assemble and glue it together inside your stand.
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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My center brace was just stapled in. Just used a hammer to knock it out. And put it back with finish nails.
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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Will 1/8' be thick enough? Glue it with only silicone? Will a skill saw 'cut it' (pun intended) without breaking the acrylic?
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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Do not attempt an acrylic sump until you know more.

1/8' is not thick enough for anything deeper than 8'. Use 1/4' material for your project.

Silicone may hold. Weld-on will hold. A well prepped weld-on joint is as strong as the panels it was made from.

A hand-held circular saw is pretty much guaranteed to result in a weak edge with lots of micro-fractures. Use a tablesaw and a blade with a negative rake angle (the teeth scrape through the material, not gouge), at least 80 teeth, and a triple chip grind tooth pattern. The usual wisdom about keeping the blade barely through the material is also reversed (along with the rake angle). When cutting acrylic, you'll have less melting of the cut edge if the blade is as high as possible. You'll probably have to sand after cutting. Use a block and a shooting board to hold the block 90 degrees to the edge. Any rounding of the edge will cause bubbles to appear in the joint on drying.

Your best bet is to find a local plastic supplier who stocks 1/4' clear acrylic (just about all of them) and ask them for six panels precut to the dimensions you need and prepped (sanded or routed) for gluing. They will only guarantee the accuracy of their cuts to 1/4' accuracy, but if you ask nicely and explain what you're doing, you can expect to actually get what you ask for.

1/4' acrylic is actually 6mm, which is slightly thinner than a true 1/4', but if you calculate the thickness in your plan as being 3/16', you'll find it easier to use weld-on 4 (it's a very watery solvent and there will be small protruding edges that you can run the glue applicator along).

Any joint you're gluing up should be parallel to the ground. The glue will immediately run out of any joint that's vertical. I made a jig to hold two acrylic pieces together at 90 degrees. Works okay, but I'll design another to be more adjustable.

If you want to use a panel for the top, the plastic supplier will also be able to cut a smooth opening in the middle of the panel. 1' wide edges on all sides will be sufficient for tanks up to 48' long and add a 2' wide center brace for tanks longer than 30'.

You can also avoid using a panel for the top, just use 1' strips. If you use this approach, the corner joints are the most important part. Put the strips on the long sides first, then take four 3/4'x2' pieces, and glue one under each corner so that it will support the strip you're going to add on the short sides. Then attach the short sides. If the tank ends up being more than 30' in length, put a 2' brace across the middle of the tank (just glue it on top of the edge strips).

In either case, don't apply any weight to the center brace (make a sticker so everyone will know) as you'll pop the joints holding the center of your long sides to the top. This is the voice of experience speaking here.

Regards,
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Posted 1 Year, 6 Months ago
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silicone is for glass. There's an acrylic adhesive whose odor resembles model airplane cement. It dissolves the acrylic. I've cut acrylic with a jigsaw and a fine tooth blade. This doesn't give a straight edge and there's risk of melting.

Your best bet is to go to a place like Taps Plastic and have them cut it for you.

1/8' is way too thin. Have you seen it? It flexs with the slightest pressure.
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